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- From: crkuntz@sgiis4.sdrc.com (Shane Kuntz)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
- Subject: Re: Amiga Technology is insulting!!
- Date: 12 Mar 1996 22:50:26 GMT
- Organization: SDRC
- Sender: crkuntz@sgiis4 (Shane Kuntz)
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- In article <4i1e7q$6it@alterdial.UU.NET>, chall@clover.cleaf.com (Chris Hall) writes:
- |> Shane Kuntz (crkuntz@sgiis4.sdrc.com) wrote:
- |>
- |> : There was some high costs in retooling production lines, finding suppliers,
- |> : putting the 4000 in the tower case, buying Commodore, etc.
- |>
- |> : I think this justifies the high costs initially. If the high costs continue
- |> : into late 1996/97 and with the PPC, there are many amiga users that won't
- |> : upgrade and *NO* P150/PMac user will jump ship for a 020-060 Amiga or a
- |> : PPC amiga that costs three times as much as their machines.
- |>
- |> : They had better drop their prices *very* soon if they want NEW users
- |> : and support from current users. If the 040/060 costs 2600/3000 bucks,
- |> : how much are the PPC's going to run? $5000? AT needs to get a handle
- |> : on pricing in order to put as many machines into as many homes as possible.
- |> : With the increased numbers of machines will come many more developers/users.
- |> : Then and only then will the Amiga start spiralling upwards instead of down.
- |> : The 1200/4000 have helped the current situation from degrading but without
- |> : decent prices the whole thing will come crashing down.
- |>
- |> : For instance a $250 1200/030 would sell *amazingly* well.
- |>
- |> I think that an Amiga w/40mhz 030 4MB Ram, 200+MB hard drive and a CDROM
- |> should run about $500. $500 is the price that many people want computer
- |> companies to aim for in a low end system. Someone at AT needs to read the
- |> current issue of Byte. They have a good article on $500 internet computers,
- |> although they failed to mention the Amiga (I wonder why) as an option. So
- |> far the Macintosh Pippin from Apple seems to be the best option when it's
- |> released. The Pippin is a PowerMac CDROM (w/o a floppy) game machine that
- |> will run about $500. AT needs to put out something like that. An upgraded
- |> (to add all ports, 040, faster gfx, etc) CD32 would be nice for that.
- |>
- The Pippin I'll *have* to see. $500? Seems like I could take out the CDROM
- drive, the PPC chip, memory, etc and make a profit on the parts. :) The $500
- includes the keyboard too?
-
- |> : A little advertising couldn't hurt either. :)
- |>
- |> AT advertise? Do they know how? I think they learned about advertising
- |> from the people in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy that wanted to knock
- |> down Arthur Dent's house.
- |>
- Are they advertising in Germany or Europe? I hope they find a partner here
- in the US *very* soon.
-
- |>
- |> : One other thing that I have wondered about. Why is AT a seperate entity
- |> : from Escom? Why must AT live or die on it's own? Hardly any company runs
- |> : in the black it's first 2-3 years. Trying to run in the black in the first
- |> : year is nuts. Especially when they have priced the Amigas so high in order
- |> : to do it.
- |>
- |> Nothing wrong with that. I'm for anything that keeps the Amiga seperated
- |> from any other name (such as Commodore).
- |>
- Ok.. that's fine. But Escom should kick AT the funds to properly advertise
- and such.
-
- |>
- |> : I am an enthusiastic Amiga user. I want to remain one. With the 1200/4000
- |> : prices set as they are today, I won't be able to justify the purchase over
- |> : other platforms.
- |>
- |> Same here. I've about written off the Amiga at a viable platform. The lack
- |> of support from AT, new software (esp. games), Amiga outlets, improved
- |> hardware, RTG standards, ... is doing a good job of driving people away.
- |>
- The new software is pretty good for a machine that's taken a 2 year hiatus.
-
- :)
-
- I agree with the lacking in other areas though. Hopefully the exorbant
- prices that some people have paid for machines has the effect of speeding AT
- to come on line quickly with hardware developments, encouraging developers,
- retail outlets, etc..
-
- |>
- |> Chris Hall
- |>
-
- Shane
-